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Big U’s Dilemma: One Foot In, One Foot Out! On this episode of Doggie Diamonds No Filter, Doggie Diamonds and Brother Tad dive deep into the major mistake Big U made by trying to keep one foot in the streets and one foot in the industry.
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[00:04:10] Speaker B: You Peace, families. Brother Tad back on the check in 1212.
[00:04:15] Speaker A: He like me. Yeah. Yeah, you? Yeah.
So for the. For y'all. For the.
[00:04:20] Speaker B: I'm playing with the bed, making sure it's fluffy, right?
[00:04:23] Speaker A: For the. For. For y'all that don't know. This is my first cousin, more like my brother. We grew up together.
For real? For real. And, you know, we got a lot of the same morals, values and principles.
And, you know, sometimes when you hear me talk, you'll hear him talk. We mirror each other with our ideology because we just, you know, it's a certain cloth that we keep each other on, too. Like, we call each other, like my older brother. My older brother, rest in peace. Mel. He called us in a minute, like, you got it up. So, yo, my brother used to call us and just bark on us like, yo, what the hell, man? What's wrong with him? You know what I'm saying? But so we see what's going on on the Internet, the name of this video is Big U's Biggest Mistake. Trying to serve two masters.
We come from a certain cloth, but it was a long time ago. But we no longer serve what we used to serve, because we are serving what we supposed to be serving? One of the biggest things that we cherish, me and you. We talk about family every day. And when we talk about family, we talk about immediate family. Like the kids, the, the, you know, the, the, the grandchildren, elders. The elders. You know, we talk about immediate family all the time. When I say trying to serve two masters, how would you decipher that?
[00:06:00] Speaker B: When I hear trying to serve two masters. Because me and you didn't even really build on us behind the scenes, right?
[00:06:06] Speaker A: It's just raw and uncut.
[00:06:08] Speaker B: Organic.
[00:06:08] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:06:10] Speaker B: You know what I'm saying?
Two masters, I'm thinking of his value systems, you know what I'm saying? His loyalty to his gang.
And then whoever his second master is, I would say his ulterior motive.
[00:06:23] Speaker C: Right.
[00:06:24] Speaker A: So his master, he has something called developing options, which is A, A 501C3 and it's A, A group for, for the, for the hood, for the community, trying to help the community, you know, at risk youth and all of that.
But he's still who he is in west streets, in the streets. So that's why I said two masters. So on one side you trying to do good for the community, but then on the other side they alleging that you've also part of the community off. Why do you think so many dudes deal with this? Because it's not just him, it's a lot of people. You know, again, we wanna do right, but then we into what we into. Why do you think so many people.
Why you think so many people are going through this? Because it's not only him, but it's a lot of dudes that, you know, that we hear, oh, he got jammed up for such a better. He got jammed up. I thought he was such and such. Nah, he was this too. Why do you think that is? So many dudes try to balance something that you got to give one up.
[00:07:41] Speaker B: Yeah, I think for us, those of us that's cut from that cloth, coming from the streets a lot of times, unfortunately, criminality is our foundation.
[00:07:51] Speaker C: Right.
[00:07:51] Speaker B: You know, we got it from the mud and we want to do right. We want to make sure the little people behind us don't go through what we go through. However hard hack or old habits are hard to break, you know what I mean? So dudes gonna get it how they live it. If you've been robbing and extorting and slinging and all of that stuff, you know, that's the easiest way to do it. Though you may try other ways, whether it's jumping on YouTube, starting a community based organization. That element is still going to be on you until you really take a deep look within yourself and start purging yourself of those ideas. Because I saw a post today that was real funny, right? So off subject. But on subject, it said back to. If Back to the Future was right now, it would be 1995. Remember when Back to the Future came out in 85, they went back to 1955, which was 30 years, right? So if we in 2015 and we go back 30 years, we going back to 95. A lot of those people in our age range could remember 95 like it was yesterday. And we all remember how we was eating and getting money in 95, right? Unfortunately, a lot of people age, but they don't grow and they don't realize within those 30 years, they don't take the lessons that life has taught us. Dudes, we lost, dudes who's jammed up, dudes who's doing 30 and better from 95, who's still incarcerated. You know, I'm saying the salute to everybody behind the wall because for you and I, a lot of dudes we know who are incarcerated, they don't even think like they did 30 years ago. Their mind is so far advanced, right? They think so way ahead than dudes who are free, right? But the dudes who are free take their freedom for granted and they want to do right. But unfortunately, it's this value system to the hood, this loyalty. We think we owe the hood to still be stuck in that mindset that get us jammed up. So on the one hand, we want to do right by the hood, but on the other hand, we still want to be accepted in the hood. So we accept the rhetoric and value system that the hood holds that don't give a damn about nobody, not even their neighbors.
[00:10:04] Speaker C: Right?
[00:10:04] Speaker B: That's, that's just. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:10:06] Speaker A: So. So sometimes we be calling each other, we'd be like, yo, you saying what? Such as. I said, like, what is what? What happened that these, this clout, these cameras, this I'm this, I'm on this, on, on that. What happened? Because when we was out there, we ain't really want nobody to know what we was a part of. You know what I'm saying? We repped it how we repped it, but we wasn't running around with no flag. And you remember a time where we didn't take pictures, it was only make 40 deuce pictures. It might be the guy with the camera in the club. What happened to where everybody want to be on camera? And let you know I'm a criminal.
Because being a part of a gang don't mean you're a criminal, but being a part of a gang don't mean.
[00:10:53] Speaker B: You'Re a criminal now. Well, you and I, you know, we from a big family, right? So we was the crew. So we never succumbed to peer pressure, you know what I'm saying? It was. It was too many first cousins, right? You ain't going. You know what I mean? You definitely not gonna get a fair one with one of us if we around. So we was the crew. And what happened was people saw the attention we got the love. We got. Everything that people are chasing right now we had as teenagers, when you really look at it. But not only that, we was raised by real OGs who always said, it's never what you do, it's always how you do it. Don't let your left hand know what your right hand's doing. I don't. I still can't decipher that.
[00:11:34] Speaker A: Right, Right.
[00:11:35] Speaker B: But I take it out. Don't let everybody in your business.
[00:11:39] Speaker C: Right?
[00:11:39] Speaker B: But right now, with this clout chasing, everybody want to be known for being that dude. But let's take a look at our own hood. Every dude who was that dude, dudes we thought was untouchable literally got knocked off.
[00:11:55] Speaker A: They dead.
[00:11:55] Speaker B: You know what I'm saying? I don't want to say no names right now because, you know.
[00:11:58] Speaker C: Right.
[00:11:59] Speaker B: We still love and support the families, and we don't want to open old wounds.
[00:12:03] Speaker C: Right.
[00:12:03] Speaker B: But a lot of folks know who in their family was getting busy and didn't make it to the year 2000, didn't make it to the year 2010, you know what I mean?
[00:12:12] Speaker C: Right.
[00:12:12] Speaker B: And dudes who's clout chasing right now, they want that notoriety, they want that reputation. But I think I said on this show before, I was always silent. I never wanted the crown because everybody's gonna gun for the crown.
[00:12:26] Speaker C: Right.
[00:12:27] Speaker B: If you wearing that crown, people gonna try to take your head off.
[00:12:29] Speaker C: Right? Right.
[00:12:30] Speaker B: Literally, the goal is to live and. And get older and just enjoy life.
[00:12:36] Speaker A: So we.
[00:12:37] Speaker B: We get about chasing dudes.
[00:12:39] Speaker A: Yeah. So. Because if you notice, everybody on YouTube is super tough, but we don't been. We don't been around dudes, like in the. In the flesh, and they was bashful and timid, you know what I'm saying? Now they, you know, now they got they whole spill together. It's. It's kind of funny, you know what I'm saying?
And, you know, no glorifying anything but we've really been aggressive, you know what I'm saying? Like, like. Like we really are about aggression, you know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, we're really aggressive.
Whether you. It's just you by yourself or me by herself. And they in trouble if we together, you know what I'm saying? Like. Cause we got the shining. I could just look at you and we already know what's about to happen. You know what I'm saying? Like, you. We was talking about that earlier today. Like, yo, remember, we just looked at each other and we just motivated. Just looked at it. Like we already, you know. You know, and if Poe was around is even worse because we got more of a. Like, we in cahoots when it comes to the family. Like, we already think the same thing.
Big U, he's trying to shout out.
[00:13:53] Speaker B: To our cousin Pope, too.
[00:13:53] Speaker A: Yeah, shout out to Pope. Big U, he seemed like. Because when in his last thing that you looked at, he was saying, you can't help black people, you know, this is what you get for trying to help people.
But it was a legend that, you know, he was extorting, he was making people check in. He was, you know, you know, laying. Laying that game down. Like, yo, you can't be out here. You can't do this unless you send that in.
You have a youth group.
But instead of you on Friday chilling with the kids, and then Saturday going to the gambling spot and. And busting heads, you choose to. To take the kids out on Saturday too, or be with your own immediate children again. What is it? Because I'm really. I can't understand the mind state right, Of. Of a dude.
[00:14:53] Speaker B: I think for me, all I could surmise, because I don't know Big you, and, you know, I just hope things work out for a lot of dudes jammed up, right? You know what I mean? Because until you go to jail, it's easy for people to say, I want him to go to jail. I want him to go to jail. Till you really learn what jail is like, man, it's like being buried alive, you know, it's not no place where you want to send.
I ain't gonna say you won't want to send your worst enemy because I. I'll send a. To the graveyard play with certain dudes. I'm gonna keep it a buck. However, dudes who's really not about that life play with jail, you know what I mean? And what we see right now is Big U is struggling with his. With his own self, you know what I mean? Here it is you trying to do right by the community. And at very community you trying to help is the same people trying to pull you back. That's why a lot of times we say you can't help people. Sometimes you got to help people from afar. Take Jay Z, for example. People always say, hovis foul. Hov left this one behind. Hov left that one behind. But when you're trying to build something, you start recognizing who's a liability and who's an asset. And a lot of hood dudes are literally liability.
[00:16:03] Speaker A: Oh my God.
[00:16:04] Speaker B: They don't have no discipline.
[00:16:05] Speaker A: We was talking about that earlier.
[00:16:06] Speaker B: They don't have self awareness.
[00:16:07] Speaker A: We talking about that earlier. Like, even dudes we know, they still want to drink 40 ounces and stand on the block. And again, right, we. That is over 30 years ago we was doing that. You understand what I'm saying? That's so old that I can't.
[00:16:23] Speaker B: We stopped drinking 40s by 95.
[00:16:26] Speaker A: This is what I'm saying. This is what I'm saying. And some people still drink beer, but I think in the hood, if you still serving the hood and you're not serving it in the sense of community work, rec centers, activities for the kids, giveaways, STEM programs.
What are you doing?
What are you really doing? And I think, you know, a lot of dudes struggle with still wanting that statue, though, because you think when you leave the hood and you square up, you might have to bust some ass back out there too. Because dudes be like, yo, you ain't who you was no more. Now I'm the big guy on the block. So you still trying to hold that hood statue of I'm the big homie and I'm still this and I'm still that, but I'm trying to do for the community. And I think that's what a lot of dudes get caught up in too. They still trying to hold that crown that you said. That don't even mean nothing because it's an imaginary crown. You know what I'm saying?
It's an imaginary crown. I mean, when we think of crown, crown means different thing. Crown is your head. Crown is a literal crown. And crown is also when somebody busts you in your goddamn head too. So which type of crown are you really holding? Because who gonna bust you in your head more? 50 yeah, 5o gon bust you in your head.
They're saying yellow beezy. Who I'm not really too.
Don't really know who that is. Like that just got knocked for unaliving. Mode 3.
And yeah, he just got knocked. I'm seeing the reports and I saw them reports earlier when we did.
Yo, we tried to get away with it. You know, that was like the whole. That was the whole thing to get away with it. Why you think dudes running to dropping little breadcrumbs and little hints and I'm just. I don't understand like what's happening. And then dudes be like, free the. Like your stupid.
[00:18:44] Speaker B: Yeah. You know what it is though, Yo, I just did the New York City half marathon Sunday.
[00:18:50] Speaker A: Right?
[00:18:50] Speaker C: Right.
[00:18:51] Speaker B: For those who may know, I. I do run. Even though I'm a little chunky. Not. Not in the best shape I used to be. I could still tangle now. Please don't run the quitters. Right? But I say that because with running the marathons and half marathons, you're challenging yourself. Your only competition is yourself. You running with 20,000 people, 30,000 people, but you are trying to do your personal best. You're your only competition. I think what's happening in the hood, a lot of dudes are not accomplished. And the value system is the bar is so low. To be a real in the hood, all you got to do is dumb.
[00:19:29] Speaker C: Right?
[00:19:29] Speaker B: And people respect it.
[00:19:30] Speaker C: Right.
[00:19:30] Speaker B: Don't ask me why.
[00:19:31] Speaker C: Right.
[00:19:31] Speaker B: You know what I mean? I mean, I know why, but that's a whole nother conversation in itself. So these dudes dropping the breadcrumbs about crimes because they looking for validation from strangers. I tell people, only thing I need validated is my parking. I don't need nobody's approval. But that comes when you know who you are within yourself, right? When you've accomplished your own personal goals, when you fought and conquered your own personal demons. Then you start to realize you don't need nobody's permission to do nothing in life. Not your man's in them, not your parents, not your ex, not your baby mama. You don't need nobody permission. You learn to live life on your terms. And when you learn to live life on your terms, you start to feel that. That freedom that you long for because you know it's a certain freedom to be known as somebody not to play with in the hood. When you could go from Bad style to Brownsville to East New York, Red Hook, Shaolin, Bronx, and your name ring bells. That feels good because everybody know, yo, don't try son. Son is with it. But then it comes a point where you got to realize that in 290 will get you on the train. What good is a reputation when it can't really get you in certain doors. And in fact, when you known to be a violent person, it's actually going to slam a lot of doors on you. So you don't really want that. Especially when you looking to hit 40 years old and 50 years old, chances are you got children and you want to be around to watch them grow up. Chances are you want them to have a better life than you have. So you literally got to show them the way. But you can't show them the way if you still outside wild. And case in point, right?
Back before I got locked up and I used to go up to open school and all that, you know, teachers saw I was a little flashy, like, hey, what do you do? What do you do? Yeah, I'm in the music business, right? I'm in the music business, yeah. You got music I might have heard of?
Nah, we still working. You know, it's kind of independent.
[00:21:25] Speaker C: Right.
[00:21:25] Speaker B: You know how we was doing, Right, right. We was getting our money.
[00:21:28] Speaker C: Right, right.
[00:21:29] Speaker B: But then I'm like, people could smell the.
[00:21:32] Speaker C: Right, right, right.
[00:21:33] Speaker B: And. And it starts to seep on the children because I'm always available to come up to the school. I always got money for trips and donating time. But how is this man really making his money? Because we see him all the time. He's always outside. Ain't like he got a 9 to 5. So people start seeing through the. And at the same token, your children starting to see it too. Because what you, in essence is doing is teaching them how to lie.
[00:21:59] Speaker C: Right?
[00:21:59] Speaker B: Be scammers and deceivers. And if you don't want that for your children, you have to make that adjustment in order to be a proper leader. So it's. It's so much that goes into developing yourself into that person you want to be. Because remember, I was still outside when I was a Boy Scout troop leader.
[00:22:17] Speaker A: Right, right, right, right, right.
[00:22:19] Speaker B: Taking that up off me, you know, trying to do right by the community, but still got one foot in the streets, right? And like, you open the show, you can't serve two masters. Because you think when I got jammed up, they was like, yeah, he's supposed to be a Boy Scout troop leader.
[00:22:33] Speaker C: Right?
[00:22:34] Speaker B: And that's not only embarrassing to the family, it's embarrassing to the people in the community that really believes you, right. And support you and want to see you do well. Because some people know your intentions are good. Case in point with Big U, I'm quite sure there's people who know he got good intentions.
[00:22:49] Speaker A: His son made it to the End.
[00:22:50] Speaker B: He got the reputation, too. That's what I'm saying. He's steered his son into the right direction.
[00:22:55] Speaker C: Right?
[00:22:56] Speaker B: And prayerfully, his son has the life that he really wants and. And feel he deserves. And I say that to say that to the street dudes this clout chasing is because they're unaccomplished, right? Beating people up is easy. We've been doing that since we was kids, getting the hammer, robbing people, that's easy. We was doing that as teenagers.
[00:23:17] Speaker C: Right?
[00:23:17] Speaker B: But here you are with grown men with children and families and taking penitentiary chances to prove something to a bunch of strangers on the Internet. And the Internet is not real. I'm sorry. It's a real thing. But the perception is not real.
[00:23:31] Speaker C: Right?
[00:23:32] Speaker B: You can look like the best father. Case in point. Take Dr. Umar.
[00:23:35] Speaker C: Right?
[00:23:36] Speaker A: Right. Right in his ass, right?
[00:23:37] Speaker C: Right.
[00:23:38] Speaker B: He want to tell. He want to tell the whole black world how to raise their family, how to raise their children. Meanwhile, he's not nurturing his two daughters. And we always talk about a nation can rise no higher than this woman. Protect the black woman. But if you're going to protect black women, let's start with young black girls. Your young black girls, your black girls, right? Whether it's your daughters, your nieces, your little cousins, those be the first women you supposed to cater to. Let them know they strong. Let them know they safe around you. Let them know they protected so they don't look for other men. You know what I mean? But this dude, he. He's selling the bill of goods that you can't cash in. So he want to act like he the father of the year. Talk about Pookie and Ray. He's no different than a street dude. He's a liar and a deceiver and a con artist. He's a criminal. He's taking people money for and making promises he can't deliver on. And then we see his daughter in pain. And rather than address the pain his daughter's in, he want to disrespect her and name caller. Now, what's the difference between that and the dude standing on the corner that curse a chick out that don't want to talk to him? That's not how you address the woman's pain. You know what I mean?
[00:24:50] Speaker C: Right?
[00:24:50] Speaker B: You got to be understanding. We keep talking about sisters, got to have accountability. It starts with us as men, right? Being leaders and examples. Now, granted, all women you can't guide because some of them don't have a father in their life. They don't even have a father figure. So they won't even know a real man if he has a shirt to say I'm Superman, right? They still wouldn't understand that. But that's all right. You still don't beat them down. You just move on to the direction where you celebrate it. And not tolerated, right? But as men, as fathers from the hood, from the community. Because everybody from the hood ain't criminals. We all want to do right. Most of the black men you and I know want to do right by our families and in the community. But it's this value system that exists in our hood that make us make dumbass decisions and dumbass choices and have dumbass conversations.
[00:25:38] Speaker A: That culture.
[00:25:39] Speaker B: So with that culture, so with everybody kicking dirt on Big U with all the allegations, I don't know Big you, right? Never met him, never been around him. So I don't know if he's a good guy or a bad guy. All I could say is what I noticed how people talk about him on the Internet. But then it makes me question, if he was standing two feet from you, would you still say these things you saying about him? Because that's. That's the judgment of a man. Cause I don't say nothing. I can't stand on and won't stand by. And I'll tell any of these suckers to their face. If I call you a sucker publicly, best believe I call you a sucker to your face. Because as a man, I'm willing to die on the hill that I stand on. A lot of these dudes is cowards, right? And they hide behind these microphones. They hide behind. Behind these. These YouTube Personas and not to be long winded, but this is what it comes from. It comes from clout chasing. Everybody wants to be respected as that gangster dude. I don't want that title no more. I had that as a teenager. I had that in my early 20s. That's. That's played out. That's corny. It don't get you nothing but a case. Because when somebody come to test you, you better rise to the occasion and prove it, right? You better live to every.
[00:26:52] Speaker A: And then. And then look and then look and then. Now we got cameras. So if you take a L, if you run, if you retreat or anything, you ask that whole rep that you try to portray. I'll do this. I'll do this. Now you gotta do it. You can't even be wise about it because you said you was gonna do it. You know what I'm saying now? Yep.
[00:27:13] Speaker B: And the other Side is, if you do do it now, you indicted, now you don't caught a body or quarter, quarter assault charge on camera, right? So it's a lose, lose situation. I just wanted to put that in there.
[00:27:25] Speaker A: Right, right, right. Because I mean, at the end of the day, like, I love the communities I love. You know, the streets is, is, is, is fun because you could get some fast food, you could go out there and you could, you know, holla at your folks and all that. But it's a great place to visit, but you wouldn't want to live there, you know what I'm saying? Because you gotta, you got, you gotta slide through like, yo, what's up with y'all? You get what I'm saying? And them you already know what's up with them. Don't want nothing, you know what I'm saying? Don't want that. And what I said on Drink Champs, can't share your success. They don't want you to have it either, you know. And then, you know, most of the dudes in the hood are very, very intelligent, but the issue is they're not good visionaries. You get what I'm saying? They're not good visionary. They got good dreams. But when you got a vision, you trying to make that vision, you know, manifestation, like real, you know. So a lot of times they talk about it when they hire, they talk about it when they getting drunk, they talk around shooting the. We remember sitting in the room with 40, 50 dudes wasn't talking about.
But the problem is when you 40 or 50 and you still around them dudes and you still ain't talk about nothing, you know what I'm saying? Except that same old you was kicking around the pool room, you know what I'm saying? So, so like with, with Big U, the, the same. The thing that I see about him, he had developing options.
Sometimes your reputation just follows you. Even when you do good, people will say, nah, you was a thief once. The thief, always a thief. A lie is a thief.
You really got to step out of who you were because you will always get put in that. So me personally, he needed an image consultant. He needed somebody that was going to tell him, yo, for you to shake this image that you have, this is what you need to do. So what you should do, I would have been suited all the time.
I'd have been suited. You wouldn't have never caught me in no street wear attire. I would have been suited all the time. I would have always had children around me where I was teaching them. And Showing them stuff. Because remember, even if we watch some of the old hood movies and all of that, remember you had some of them, like a string of bell who was in the street, but he was also in college, and he was using that college education to take back to the street, but he couldn't serve two masses because he got greedy and that box took him down. You understand what I'm saying? So a lot of times dudes just be trying to, you know, look the part. And, yo, I ain't no joke. And then y'all got to be careful what y'all be claiming, because sometimes when you claim certain things, it put a red dot on your head automatically. You get what I'm saying? And then when people keep speculating and putting the Nipsey situation on him, you know, old stuff. And I want to say another thing, too.
A lot of dudes who be claiming that they street dudes that own and got these outlets, y'all be telling.
Because it's not my place to big dig up old Big U footage when he had said certain things about certain people, that's telling.
So either you a teller or you a street guy. Either you civilian or you street. But this is the thing. Everybody want to be street when they get mad. But other time, oh, I'm just reporting. If you was posting that video and you was. When he was saying justice for Nip, Ha ha ha ha. You was insinuating that he had something to do with it. So how could you say and be who you say you are if you were sharing that video? Even some of these videos that they sharing now with him, oh, you know, you telling.
Because at the end of it all, this is not what you say you do.
You ain't on that side. You don't want to see nobody go to jail. You know, dudes be saying, yo, I don't wish Jeff for jail or nobody my enemy. I hope.
I hope your hair look like spaghetti sauce one day, you know, because we say stupid like that. You know what I'm saying? We say stupid shit like that. And when you. When you really think about it, Nipsey was so beloved and so revered by, you know, the world. And the way he went out, it made people resent Big U, too. Whether he was culpable of it or not. It just made people resent him. So it do be a witch hunt. And my thing is, when you see the witch hunt, when you see that it's up for you, why you don't move different. That's why I said you can't serve two masters. If your son made it to the NFL, you got developing options.
Yo, the. The. The. The. The. The gang signs. Got all that gotta go. Because if you notice, a lot of people like to say former gang member, but they still be active because you a former gang member.
[00:32:53] Speaker B: And, you know, it's crazy, dog. He could have. He could have did like Snoop, you know what I'm saying? Still be affiliated, but do.
And. And I'm not indicting big you. Like I said, you know what I'm saying? This is just our perception of what we see from the outside and the conversation from those who's around him. You know, he could still, you know, have his ties because, you know, once. Once you in that life, that's your family, right? Regardless of what people think, you can't tell nobody drop their flag, because that's still a family.
[00:33:22] Speaker C: Right?
[00:33:23] Speaker A: It might be literally family, too.
[00:33:25] Speaker B: Say it again.
[00:33:26] Speaker A: Might be literally family, too. Like.
[00:33:27] Speaker C: Right?
[00:33:28] Speaker B: Literally family. You know what I'm saying? Like. Like, dude's been doing this for generations, right? You know what I mean? So whether he dropped his flag, if something happened to his cousin or brother or his nephew or whoever, he's still gonna ride for them, right? You know what I'm saying? Like, you and I, if one of our loved ones come in, we ain't got to go old school and call up the old crew now. I mean, you gonna roll up, right?
[00:33:48] Speaker C: Right.
[00:33:48] Speaker B: And do whatever's necessary. But I think it comes a time in a man's life, every man, black, white, Crip, blood, Latino, whatever you are, where you really got to start evaluating yourself, start looking at your value system, take an inventory of your life, the things you want to accomplish, and the things, you know, don't serve you anymore or don't serve you at all. Never served you, you know, And. And that's something I really had to wrestle with, I think, when I got.
When I got the job I have now, when I first started the job, no lie, and y'all don't tell nobody, right? I used to take the blicky to work.
[00:34:25] Speaker C: Right, right, right.
[00:34:26] Speaker B: Just take the thing with me to work.
[00:34:27] Speaker A: We used to have that in the gym. Yeah. You know, we working out with the guns.
[00:34:32] Speaker B: It was really hard for me to not go anywhere without it.
[00:34:37] Speaker C: Right.
[00:34:37] Speaker B: No matter where I was, a. A Christian, a baptismal, a wedding, a funeral, a job interview, a job.
Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, that's for those who knew me back then. That's who I was. And I'm not That dude anymore.
[00:34:52] Speaker C: Right?
[00:34:52] Speaker B: You know what I'm saying? Where I feel I need that because I don't even function on that level no more. That's. That's not my vibration anymore. You know what I'm saying? If I got to protect myself, by all means, if it's me or you, you gonna lose every time.
[00:35:04] Speaker C: Right?
[00:35:05] Speaker B: You better believe that. But at the same token, I don't go looking for that.
[00:35:09] Speaker C: Right?
[00:35:09] Speaker B: And now I know how to articulate myself to get myself out of particular situations. Because a lot of times when dudes are beefing in the street, especially with a dude you don't know, that's the ego talking, right?
[00:35:19] Speaker C: Right.
[00:35:20] Speaker B: That. That is nothing but the ego talk. Remember one time me and you was on the phone.
[00:35:24] Speaker A: You like Duke, you good? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:35:26] Speaker B: I was like, duke, you good? And he said something's like, yo. And I just had to go route on like, I will you up out here. And he got scared and backed up because my aura says, you know, I'm not with that. Whatever type of time you want, I'm not with it. My clothes ain't dirty. I ain't. Because most dudes are just. Most street dudes are dirty dudes with a weapon. That's all they are, right?
[00:35:50] Speaker A: Let me. Let me ask you something. I think this is important. Change. Change. Is it. Is, is it mentality? We know it's a mentality, but what does the. What role does the environment play in it? Because some dudes want to change, but they live here, so they're not allowed to change. Remember, if we. Let's say this. If we didn't have each other and we had to depend on some of the dudes in our environment, we still be with them. Being that we had each other, we was able to get away from certain dudes and not rock with them. What about the dudes who don't come from a big family? What about the dudes who don't have six, seven cousins ready to go at all time? Where they family is the gang? What about the dudes that might be loners? And to a certain extent, they stuck in this community because of, you know, poverty, because of being young and because of being dumb that are around this situation because they have to be, you know, everybody can't pick up and move. Everybody can't move how we move.
[00:36:58] Speaker B: But, you know, go ahead, go ahead. No, I. I hear you, but they don't have to be if you can't change your environment. Change your environment, dog. Remember when I came home, I couldn't I couldn't get back outside, right? Everybody's like, yo, glad you back, son. We need you out here. And I did not want to go back to jail. I'm keeping a hundred. I don't want to go back there. I don't care what nobody think. I don't want to go back right? At all. But I. And remember, we still on the block. Everybody's still outside because these are family members.
[00:37:27] Speaker A: Yeah, but did you. But remember when you came home, you went back two days later because they came the New York same day. The same day you came home. In the New York Post, he swung on one of the news reporters.
[00:37:38] Speaker B: But, yeah, because I was still, you know. Yeah. Trying to shake it off me, right? But what I say when. I say, if you can't change your environment, change your environment. Remember, I went to. I went up the block to Mega Evers. I was like, yo, what free classes y'all got, right? I got to do something constructive with my time. I started hanging out in bookstores. I started walking to Prospect park, just sitting there, reevaluating my life and the decisions I made that led me up to where I was, you know what I mean? I'm just getting out with no plan on what I'm gonna do from here. And I'm just looking at myself now that I'm here, I'm free, I'm out of jail. But now what. What's the plan, Tab? What's the goal? And I really had to formulate that, and I couldn't do that if I'm still hanging with dudes that could possibly get me locked right back up knowing I was a hot boy.
[00:38:27] Speaker C: Right?
[00:38:28] Speaker B: You know what I mean? So if you can't change the people around, you can't change your environment, you can't change your address, change what you do with your time, right? Even if that means going to the mosque, going to church, joining. Joining a civic organization, a community based organization, volunteering your time. You know what I mean?
[00:38:47] Speaker A: But this is what I'm saying. But now, look, this is what I'm saying. Not to cut you off, but big, you allegedly had all of that.
You see, the problem he had something called developing options was for the youth he was doing. But see, he was doing some Robin Hood, too.
So he was shaken down, allegedly. Athletes and. And dope boys and all that. Like, yo, y'all gonna kick into my. To my. For these kids, right?
[00:39:17] Speaker B: But see, it's. It's how you ask what's wrong with that? Because, like. Because you can't you can't say, yo, you going to. You know, you got to learn the art of persuasive speaking.
[00:39:26] Speaker A: But listen, though. But if he. But if he's known and he went on Vlad in different places and they said he's the real life Debo character, then it's still here with him. You get what I'm saying? And he know better. He know better. So if it's like, yo, he's. He's the real life Debo.
Uncle. Uncle's a. Was our Debo, but he never Debo'd us, but we see him. So again, like, Stanley Cabinet said, that whole checking in is, to me was a form of extortion. Anybody who ever said, you got to check into me. And I always felt like, why am I checking in with people? I don't know? I tap in, like, imma hit the homies, you know what I'm saying? Yo, I'm out here. Yeah, but why I'm checking in with you? I don't know, y'all.
You get what I'm saying? So I feel like a lot of times he was on some Robin Hood, but it might not been. It might not have been authentic. It might not have been.
Yeah, yeah. You know, the authenticity is you. You acting like you robbing from the rich to give to the poor. But then the boys is saying, man, you was lining your pockets. You was giving, you know, like, one for me, one for you, two for me, one for you. You know what I'm saying? Like, he was on that type of time. And that's how you get jammed up. Being greedy, being overzealous, with your positioning in this whole infrastructure, you know what I'm saying? And then having dudes that don't like you, that's saying, yo, he be doing this and doing this and doing that, because you think, yeah, police can't solve a case unless somebody told on you.
They can't solve again. We learned that in the first 48. Yeah, yeah. We learned that from the first 48. Though a lot of people don't, you know that be the first 48. They need somebody to say something or they gotta really work. Think about that. They got 48 hours to get somebody to tell or they gotta work. So they work is really canvassing for information and getting somebody to tell on somebody after that 48 hours. Damn. You know that sound after the first 40.
[00:41:38] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:41:39] Speaker A: It's a slump, Jonathan.
[00:41:40] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah.
[00:41:40] Speaker A: They just like, yeah, we gonna still work on it, you know? So I feel like the reason why we doing this show there's still a lot of big use in the hood that wanna do good, but the ego.
[00:41:58] Speaker B: And we just here to help, give them some guidance. Right? Because I was gonna say that a lot of times we. We have conflicts in the hood. And. And this is because, again, I'm not indicting Big. You don't know the man. Don't know if he did it or not. All of these accusations and allegations.
[00:42:13] Speaker C: Right, right.
[00:42:13] Speaker B: But I will say, when we learn how to effectively communicate, when we learn how to talk with one another, getting our point across honestly and without being disrespectful, we could get a lot further. Case in point, boom. I have my you. You know, I'm saying, doing the youth group, people will always ask me, how did I finance this? I always tell them, cooperative economics, people who believed in me and saw my vision always donated. And I think if this is the case, I don't know whether Big, you did this or not, but instead of, quote, unquote, extorting people, you just show, yo, man, yo, you gonna be in Cali. Y'all want to come show you this project I was working on. I want to get your thoughts and opinions. Maybe you got some ideas, right? When you come. When they come instead of, yo, you gotta give me 10,000. Say you show them around, show them what you're doing, show them the efforts and then share your vision with them. Like, yeah, we got this far, right?
[00:43:07] Speaker A: Show them a blueprint, show them a model. Yeah, yeah.
[00:43:10] Speaker B: You don't have to do. And I'm not saying he did it like that.
[00:43:12] Speaker C: Right, right.
[00:43:12] Speaker B: Other big hues who may be trying to do. Right. But you know what I'm saying that, that, that old school don't work no more. Trying to put people under the deodorant, trying to strong arm like, come here, little dude. That don't work no more.
[00:43:25] Speaker C: Right?
[00:43:25] Speaker B: Ain't nobody scared of bullies no more, right? Like, bully season is over.
[00:43:29] Speaker A: Especially when they could just tell on you.
[00:43:31] Speaker B: Talk about deep.
[00:43:32] Speaker A: They could just tell on you.
[00:43:33] Speaker B: That's all they gonna do.
[00:43:34] Speaker A: Yeah. Nobody's getting frowned upon for telling no more. Yo, he did this and he told, you gonna have.
[00:43:40] Speaker B: You got influence, you got influences. Telling people they telling.
[00:43:44] Speaker C: Right?
[00:43:44] Speaker A: Right.
[00:43:44] Speaker B: Yeah. Run down on me if you want. I'm calling the police.
[00:43:47] Speaker C: Right?
[00:43:47] Speaker B: I'm getting you locked up. Yo, they making no qualms. And that's a dangerous game for dudes who's still in that life, in that criminal element, right? Now, me, for example, I don't do nothing illegal.
[00:44:00] Speaker C: Right.
[00:44:00] Speaker B: At all. And I stand 10 toes down on it. I'm not who I used to be and haven't been that guy for a long, long time. So I could say that with confidence. So me and the dude get in conflict. First of all, I know how to articulate that I'm defending myself. Chances are it's going to be cameras around because I'm trying to talk you out of your ass.
[00:44:19] Speaker A: De escalate. Try to de escalate, right?
[00:44:21] Speaker B: Try to de escalate it. Thank you, dog.
Talking about his ass whooping, right? Like, my dude, you don't want this, right? Because once. Once it's. Once it's up, it's all the way up.
[00:44:32] Speaker A: And.
[00:44:32] Speaker B: And I play to win. I tell people, if it's me and you, you're gonna lose every time. And if you could get me, well, happy birthday to you, right? Because I'm going all the way out. And, dudes, you can call the cops. And I don't mind because like I said, I will die on the hill I stand on. Because if I feel I got to defend myself against an idiot. Because a lot of these influencers are antagonists, right?
[00:44:55] Speaker C: Right?
[00:44:55] Speaker B: They. They agitate. They wanted. They want to. Like. I listen to dudes try to disrespect you and throw subs, and I just laugh because they don't know who knows who. You know what I mean? Case in point. I remember this dude. This is years ago on Staten Island. This dude was giving the family a issue, right? Dog? Dude didn't know who I was. I just called him, told him to calm down, son. Like, relax, relax, right? He wouldn't relax. Yo, tell me why I go to a show and who I'm standing right next to.
[00:45:24] Speaker C: Right, right, right.
[00:45:26] Speaker B: I'm like, look at this. You got like 10, 20 dudes that could just rat pack them. Right now, it's just him and the chick, and we had a. He had a concert. What was the chances, dog, of me standing right next to him and I'm laughing like. See, he don't even realize how easy this is.
[00:45:42] Speaker A: You know what's even realized? You know, it's another.
[00:45:44] Speaker B: This is what I say to these influences. And I'm gonna pass the mic, right? You sitting here, you talk strong to people, but you don't know who knows who. And you may rattle the wrong cage, and you may think you have a friend and a confidant, and dudes will bust your head open saying, yo, that's my cousin, right? People see you by yourself all the time.
[00:46:04] Speaker C: Right.
[00:46:05] Speaker B: People. You, you don't come outside with an entourage. You. But every. Anybody could see you anywhere in the streets, right? Roaming in any city. Bronx by yourself.
[00:46:13] Speaker A: Yeah, Bronx, Manhattan, Atlanta, Los Angeles. I'm everywhere.
[00:46:18] Speaker B: Anywhere. But people don't know who is behind you, right? Who got your back?
[00:46:23] Speaker A: Besides me having this big ass. Besides me having this big ass gun on me at all times. And I'm legal beagle. So you know, you already know that. So. Right, but. But again.
[00:46:35] Speaker B: Right, but I'm saying without you even have to go there because a lot of these dudes ain't gonna do a lot of they talking about, right?
[00:46:41] Speaker C: Right.
[00:46:41] Speaker B: Like I always say, if you're gonna do it, you're not gonna talk about it, right? And if you talking about it, you're not gonna do it.
[00:46:47] Speaker C: Right?
[00:46:47] Speaker B: So just cut the but I. I watch dudes sit here and antagonize artists, but then cop a plea on the phone, right? Behind the scenes, right?
[00:46:58] Speaker A: You know what I mean?
[00:46:59] Speaker B: I watch, I watch influencers laugh at other men's pain for losing their children and saying the children, right, but they better pray to their creator that these things don't happen to the people they love.
[00:47:13] Speaker C: Right?
[00:47:13] Speaker B: It's not no joke. And that's what I say, dog, about people who say they about the community. First you got to have a karmic cleanse. And not on that spooky spiritual copper and crystal I'm talking about. Really atone with your God for all the that you've done that you know you've done and just stop, right? What Mel used to say. God bless.
[00:47:31] Speaker A: Why you just don't stop? Just stop. Yo. You know, it's funny that you say that because it's a YouTube guy. I never put him on blast for it, but he was out in LA and I heard he was out there and I said put that on the phone. He didn't even think I knew who he was around.
You'll put him on the phone. I just seen a post. Because see, that's one thing dummies do too. They like to let it be known where they're at. Okay, good. Glad to know that. Put them on the phone.
And we so called had debt as. But then again the agitator don't know how to do nothing but agitate.
You know what I'm saying? You don't know how to do nothing but agitate. And when I'm saying to a lot of the guys that's in the communities that want to be a part of these street organizations, y'all better get quiet. I've been telling y'all that, though. Y'all better start going covert. Because first of all, we don't care what you are proud of, what you're a part of. We're not impressed.
That don't mean nothing to us. You get what I'm saying? That don't mean nothing to nobody anyway. Because the saddest thing is that what people don't understand is when you trying to flex your muscle, they know they got the police.
So if it get too thick for them, they calling the cops. How could you win against somebody that's going to get you arrested?
None of us could beat the cops in no shape, form or fashion. And most of the time. When do a fit. When do a fish get caught? Soon as he open his mouth or he get trapped in a net.
This net is getting a lot of people caught because they taking the bait on the net and getting trapped.
[00:49:18] Speaker B: Say that again, though.
[00:49:20] Speaker A: When does a fish get caught? When he opens his mouth or when he get caught in the net? A lot of people are getting caught because they taking the bait on the net and getting caught up in that net. And you see, they'll drag them tools and fuse. They don't care how many of it is. Yo, I don't even mess with him. Yeah, but you said on six zero and so did he. So y'all together?
[00:49:45] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:49:45] Speaker A: Look how that works.
[00:49:46] Speaker B: People don't understand how conspiracy works, Rico.
[00:49:49] Speaker A: All of that. Yeah, like, they don't. They don't understand that. And I'm looking at dudes who's of a certain age, like, damn, don't. What does still say in juice? Don't you get tired of this?
Like, like, remember we had got tired? Like, yo, come on, man, even yo pull up a Nile. I'm chilling today.
Like, yo, you we with Bernie Mac. Said my body weary, you know what I'm saying? Like, look how long you look how long. When you've been thugging, when you've been thugging for so long, you don't want to retire from that. But again, what I was saying earlier is the ego makes a man not want to say, I'm no longer. That I don't want to be that no more. They still want the machismo that come with it. Yeah, because you think everybody wants to say, yeah, such and such ain't no joke, yo. When such and such come home, he got diesel, he got big, yo. When he come home, 11 year old would send them to his maker. None of that matter no more. And Remember I told you I was watching the YouTube. We're not going to blast. Not a YouTube, a Facebook Live, somebody that we know. And I'm like, damn. People still got this mentality, like, yeah, what is it going to take to break this? We got individuals who.
50, okay? Every day a 76 years old, just from the drinking and the drugging and the lifestyle, you know? And it's like.
It is. It's like. And Raymond Houston said, imagine being 60, looking at an L.
But. But that's. Yeah, that's what you wanted. But that's what you wanted, though.
That's what you wanted.
[00:51:38] Speaker B: And you every. Everybody can't go. You know what I mean? And this is why you and I always have these conversations. And like you said at the beginning of the show, you know, a lot of times we mirror each other's points because our principles and morals are locking step with the cloth that we come from. They don't make this fabric no more. You know what I mean? Like, we from a leather cloth. And these dudes out here with pleather, with leather light, because, yeah, their cars.
[00:52:08] Speaker A: Don'T even got leather on the seats. They. They call leather. They car seats ain't even leather.
[00:52:14] Speaker B: Nylon.
[00:52:15] Speaker A: Word. But think about this. Not to cut you, right? Think about this, right? Remember you. You an individual. You was around, said, put me on the phone, right? And I said the exact same that you said. And we ain't even talk about it. And they was like, yep, all right. Y'all sound exactly alike. I'm like, what. What you expect me to say? You. You understand what I'm saying? Like, I said the exact same thing that you said. Like, oh, I guess I can't talk to you because y'all sound alike. But again, when you got somebody that love you, care about you, that live for you, die for you, that's always going to keep you on your toes. We all going to have a meeting of the minds most of the time. And the job is to keep each other on your toes. Because when you up, first of all, we have a family to protect. We have a family reputation to protect. And then we also have a family that's looking up for us. Looking up to us for guidance. Because I remember you saying this to me 10 years ago, yo, we the elders now.
And when you a certain age, you like, I ain't no elder. Elder. Because again, everybody's scared to outlive dummies.
Everybody's scared to outlive dummies. Everybody want to be young. Nobody want to be old. Nobody you know, being old in our community is a dissipate.
[00:53:39] Speaker C: Oh, last.
[00:53:39] Speaker A: Oh, last. I'm out living dummies, you know.
[00:53:43] Speaker B: Right.
[00:53:43] Speaker A: So the issue is, is that when you get of a certain age, you didn't experience all that. But that's why I be saying, dudes who. On the Internet, I'd be like, yeah, that must have been a late bloomer, because he just started doing that on the Internet. Like, you don't. We don't do that no more. You know what I'm saying? Like, yo, we stopped doing that and like 1999, you know what I'm saying?
[00:54:06] Speaker B: Like, about the same. Like, yo, that's earlier than.
[00:54:09] Speaker A: We don't even do that. They just think about. We used to get deep, yo, let's go see where everybody at. Let's get deep and let's get. Let's go around and catch wreck. Let's go around. And I don't even want to be around. I don't even like my phone.
[00:54:23] Speaker B: And I was like 13 to 16 years old because by the time we 17 and stuff like that, we wasn't hanging with 100 dudes no more.
[00:54:30] Speaker A: Word. And, and, and. And I want to say something, too. This is to the ladies. Because y'all play a critical role in this street life.
Because it be shit that y'all be condoning that y'all think is cute, or you don't think you have other options because you know it is slim pickings. A man has nothing to do.
The biggest thing on a man would never be his genitalia, never be his bank account, never be his. His car, anything. It will always be his ego.
So if you're around an egotistical man that's trying to show you, yeah, I'm a man. Because you know. No, away from him. Because any man at this stage of the game still trying to tell you how he ain't no joke.
What type of man is that? You get what I'm saying? You think dudes. You think when we go out. Because you'll get plucked out in front of your girl. Don't think you won't get plucked out in front of your girl. Your girl just kind of.
[00:55:26] Speaker B: That's embarrassing.
[00:55:27] Speaker A: Yeah. Your girl just not to see you get kicked into your ass. You get. You get what I'm saying? But it's like, when you go out, you go out to have fun, you go out to eat, you go out the bowl, the last thing you think about is conflict. I don't have to go nowhere stunting. I'm With a young lady. We having fun. I'm not face fighting nobody. I'm not doing that. But we see that energy and it comes from this hood mentality that everybody thinks they have to have, but portray it on the Internet. Yeah, how dumb is that?
[00:55:59] Speaker B: Yeah. The illusion.
[00:56:00] Speaker A: Yeah. How dumb is that?
[00:56:04] Speaker B: And that's, that's the sad part, because at this age, right, what we wouldn't listen right now we've seen Young thug just, you know, just win his case. You know, congrats to him. And. And I by no means am an advocate for criminal activity in our community. And at the same token, I'm not gonna judge. Get by. That's why it's important, this weight loss journey.
[00:56:27] Speaker A: Not even together. Yeah, not even together.
[00:56:29] Speaker B: Yeah, right. Not even together was just something that we knew we had to do as men as we were aging because we were in our 30s when we really started this journey.
[00:56:38] Speaker C: Right.
[00:56:38] Speaker B: You know what I mean?
[00:56:39] Speaker C: Right.
[00:56:39] Speaker B: But people said, oh, I would love to. Well, when you go to the gym, I said, yo, I go to the gym at five in the morning. Oh, that's too early for me. I can't get up that early. I say, why not? I say, it's 24 hours in a day. You don't have one hour for yourself. You got to start evaluating where do your time go. Then you spend eight hours on the job. You know what I'm saying? Hopefully you get eight hours of sleep. What do you do with your other eight hours? Let's give two of those for. For traveling to work. Traveling to and from work. So you got about six hours. Let's say even if you got four hours, say you got a two hour commute each way, you still got four hours left in the day. What are you doing with that four hours to improve yourself?
[00:57:18] Speaker A: Watching power.
[00:57:19] Speaker B: That's a question I challenge everybody. Right out of four hours, let's say you only got four hours to yourself. You can't take one of those hours right out the day and not even every day. Let's say you do it three to four days a week.
That's only three or four hours a week. You don't have that for yourself to invest in your health and wellness.
And that's why I keep talking about value systems for people. Because when I wake up in the morning, it's, you know, this is part of my morning routine. You know, I get up, drink water, I give a prayer of gratitude, and I meditate. I just let my mind go where it wants to. And then part of that meditation is Is my visualization not to confuse my prayer for my gratitude. Thank God I'm not locked up. Thank God I can move my limbs. I got money in my pocket. I got a roof over my head. I got people that love me and care about me. I'm safe. I'm. I'm no longer worried about the police kicking my door in anymore. Even though, dog, you know, that's a whole nother story. But, you know, I don't worry about nobody looking for me. Talking about, I did this to that one. I got beef. I can't go to this. That is a good feeling, Especially when you come from that lifestyle when you a teenager in your early 20s, and you can't go to certain neighborhoods because you know when you go there, it's up. If. If the ops see you, you getting shot out there banging out.
[00:58:40] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:58:41] Speaker B: Not to get. You got. That's. That's the dumbest way to live. And some people take pride in that. But I'm gonna tell you what the real pride is. Booking a flight, going somewhere that you've never been before, meeting interesting people, people who don't even know the kind of dangers that you've associated yourself with, because you literally made that your reality. To be deep in that criminal element. You made that your reality. See, when I was in the streets, I never forget my. My son, young Chad. People kept telling him his father's alleged, like, yo, your dad's a legend. Your dad's a legend. When we left, he said, yo, why they keep calling you a legend? I said, when I was in these streets, I never bust nobody head that didn't deserve it. And every time I sold somebody something, I used the scale. The exchange ain't no robbery. I said, I. I always operated on an honor system with a lot of dudes, even in the criminal element. What we see right now was fake criminals on YouTube. And I'm not. I'm not promoting criminality. I'm not supporting it. I'm just saying what it is. I'm saying the facts and the psychology of it all. Because the moment you want to change, first you got to change your mindset, right? You got to change your psychology. You got to change your value system.
[00:59:56] Speaker C: Right?
[00:59:57] Speaker B: Right back when you thought getting dipped every day and getting new jewelry and the flyest car was everything. I did all of that. I did all of that over 20 years ago, and that didn't make my life no better. Yeah, it feels good to accomplish a particular goal. Yeah. I got the vehicle I want. I got the jewelry I want I, I stacked the kind of money I wanted to stack. But then what? Because your life has to have value and purpose. So I was living a purposeless life. I was just running around with the hood values to be fly, to be known as. No joke, you need the blicky, come holla at Tad. I got the connect. I hook you up. I, I got that, Got the golf bag.
[01:00:35] Speaker A: They don't know about the golf.
[01:00:37] Speaker B: Yeah, that you had to put in the golf bag. You are not putting this on your waist, right?
[01:00:42] Speaker A: Give them, if you could give them the 25 thing that you said about 25. If you could remember.
[01:00:50] Speaker B: Oh, oh, not at work.
[01:00:52] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:00:53] Speaker B: With the job.
[01:00:53] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:00:54] Speaker B: Oh, no.
One of my supervisors, this is a little while ago, she said, yo, I love when you come to work. She said, when you come to work, you bring this good energy. She said, you know, when you not here is dry, it's boring.
I said, you know why? Because I know what it's like on the other side of the game. I'd rather do 25 years on the job than 25 years in the can. And trust me, they tried to give me 25 years in the camp facts. So when I came out, I really had to get my to like, Tad, what are you gonna do? And that was something my mother said.
[01:01:26] Speaker C: Right.
[01:01:26] Speaker B: Now that you out, what you gonna do? I don't know, mom. I'm trying to figure it out. Right, Trying to figure it out.
[01:01:32] Speaker A: What do Mel say?
[01:01:35] Speaker B: What you gotta, you gotta figure it out. You gotta, gotta figure it out.
[01:01:39] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:01:40] Speaker B: Because we all got problems. Everybody, I don't know, nobody who don't have no problems in their life, something, some type of challenge that they need to overcome. And I think if we focus more of our energy on the challenges, we can be a lot further as individuals and collectively as a community. But we keep putting our intentions into the wrong. So, yeah, me and doggy sitting here talking about what's going on in the hood, but what are we giving you? Alternatives and solutions.
[01:02:07] Speaker C: Right.
[01:02:07] Speaker B: And in another paradigm of looking at things that way, because you got 16 and 17 year olds that's in the gang to fit in. And they don't really want to be in the gang, but they don't want to be ostracized either.
[01:02:20] Speaker A: That's why I was talking about. Yeah, right. That's why I was asking earlier for the dudes that that's a part, part of it by default. They live by it, but they don't want to do that. So again, what I Did in my youth was I ran to music. I ran to the turntables. I ran to the elements of, you know, shout out to DJ Harry Hash. That's my dj, my big homie, my mentor, my teacher. He wasn't a street guy. He wasn't ass, he wasn't no sucker, but he wasn't a street guy. But he had something that I wanted, and that was the. That was what I wanted to do. I wanted to learn how to dj. And he enabled me and let me come through and mess with the turntables, and I gravitated towards that. Now when we left.
When I left his crib, I had to walk through the field. You know, everybody know about Atlantic Terminals football field. You gonna hit Claremont, then you gonna hit Vanderbilt, then I'm back with.
[01:03:23] Speaker C: With.
[01:03:23] Speaker A: They go to country house. Once I hit the country house, we back on this soil with madness. Yeah, you could take. Not in Atlantic Terminals had a madness the front and the back. But what. When you. When you leave out the building, you don't stop. Just hit the field. Once you get through the field, keep going. Just keep going. But then once you hit the country house, you back on the side of madness because from. From. From the country. I was all the way down to Franklin is madness on Fulton Street. You get what I'm saying? But for. Yeah to no strength. But what I did was I walked away from it for a little while, even if I was having Harry Cribb for an hour, two hours. And then it increased my mind state of, yo, I really could do this DJ thing. Like, I really could do this. Then next thing you know, I'm doing block parties. I'm doing house parties. I'm like 13, 14 years old. You know what I'm saying? Like, yo, hold on.
[01:04:18] Speaker B: Doing mixtapes.
[01:04:19] Speaker A: Doing mixtapes. One of the most popular mixtapes in the hood, Jay, you old pook. You know what I'm saying? But this is what I was doing because I got my cousin. This is my older cousin. He's a goddamn knucklehead. His younger brother is a damn knucklehead.
Our God brothers and cousins is knuckleheads.
[01:04:41] Speaker B: Everybody, yeah.
[01:04:43] Speaker A: Shout out to black. I was gonna say black. Oh, a new they Knuckleheads.
Jusy was a good kid. Turn knucklehead. You understand what I'm saying? But. But he. But he was so serious that he. His life got taken. Not understanding that it was more to it. But we was on the cusp of leaving a lot of that alone. You get what I'm saying? Because at that time, that's when we got the studio. So we graduated from the dj, so we gonna do music. We meeting with track masters. You know, I'm taking him to the studio. We doing a bunch of. But we was trying to serve two masters. One foot in, one foot out. And this is what I'm saying to a lot of guys, there's nothing wrong with squaring up and saying, yo, I ain't with that. Because if you kick ass, you kick ass. Everybody know you whoop ass. If you a person that, you know, let that thing go off, everybody going, no, his gun ain't cold. You know what I'm saying? He still do what he do, but you have a choice. And I think because of the Internet, because of the notoriety, because of the clout, because of the views, because of the likes, because of the. That you think you get in. In cyberspace, you run towards that. You want. You understand what I'm saying? Like, dudes want to claim this and be a part of this. And, you know, is disheartening sometimes, the way I see dudes carry themselves, because I'm like, yo, it's more than what you show, you know, if your whole life is just this. Come on, man. You. You ain't. You ain't tired of that. You not. You didn't. You didn't. How high have you gotten in your life?
You're not getting no higher. You get what I'm saying? But I see dudes. Dudes can't even say a complete sentence without.
But I feel like, yo, who wants to listen to that? Only people with that same mind state. So what happens is the derelict crew, they flock together. You get what I'm saying? And it just breeds more derelicts. Because anybody that's of a right mind ain't gonna deal. They're gonna be like, man, watching these drunk ass. You know what I'm saying? Because you think when you in the hood, we got a lot of hood legends. That's El Droncos. Now, we still love them, but we ain't sitting there kicking it with them. It's over for them.
And they not 50. Some of them. Some of them just about to hit 50, but they've been gone for 20 years. They've been going in their 30s, you know what I'm saying? So what I look at is that, yo, I remember being that young dude looking like y'all. I don't want to be like none of these niggas when they was older, you know, that was older than us. But then now this is. This is your shining moment when, yo, what have you put in all this work for?
This is the. This is the you. This is the graduation. And come on, man, you can't be 60 years old still doing like.
I almost really, can't really feel sorry for nobody. Because you know better.
Everybody always talking about the kids, the kids, the kids. You gotta be the example for the kids. You. Because you can't say the kids this, the kids that and then be doing other.
You understand what I'm saying? The kids this, the kids that. Would you say your grandsons, they was in the crib acting a fool. What you do?
[01:08:07] Speaker B: Word. Took them out to the park. Come on, boys, we going outside, right? So I need to let some of that steam off, right? Yeah.
[01:08:14] Speaker A: Your whole life you might have a 40 on you, but you was pulling the wagon with the kids in it, taking them to the park. You get what I'm saying?
[01:08:23] Speaker B: So everybody in the hood knew that. You see me rolling deep with the kids, you know, But. But again, this is how you purge yourself for that negative energy, you know, you gotta earnestly invest in other people, particularly young people coming behind you. Because my children didn't really know you think about. They didn't know who I was until they became teenagers and went outside. And of course their street tales are being exchanged. You're like, nah, your father, Your father like my pops. And they never really understand until they're.
[01:08:52] Speaker A: Not supposed to know that person.
[01:08:53] Speaker B: Because you don't. Right? I don't come in the house as gangster daddy.
We going to the circus. We going to the zoo. You better wash your ass.
Did you do your homework? You know, those things that we know are literally missing in our community because right now in all this ties together. Right, dog? Because the sure enough is we having the gender wars in our community. It's because a lot of us ain't really standing in our roles. A lot of us are buying into this Internet imagery and facade, you know, and it's cool to make your money off the Internet. I celebrate that. I applaud that. That is super dope. However, we don't have to take the garbage with us, right? And this is always opposition. Because as grown men, not just you and I, but other men, you know what I'm saying? These are the kind of conversations we should be having. We should be trying to steer daily community in the right direction. That's what leadership is, Right?
[01:09:47] Speaker C: Right.
[01:09:48] Speaker B: And. And not just. Not just by saying, I'm the leader, but by demonstrating in behavior in the conversations that we have. Because anybody who sit with me long enough know me on a personal one, on one level, know that I'm always talking about advancing. You know, I'm still from the hood. I'm still from the block. Anybody hang out with me can see I'm not intimidated by no group, no crew. I'm too old for that. I'm not. Ain't no man putting no fear in my heart. And I walk with a level of respect, you know what I mean? So I'm not. I'm not too proud or too high and mighty that I can't say, what up to brothers? When I'm walking the street, walking past them, you know what I'm saying? I like to say, what's up, the brothers, to let dudes know, I'm not your enemy, bro. We roll in this together. All of us are trying to make it home. At the end of the day, we trying to survive this. This crazy thing called America. No matter what you think the challenges in society are, the whole world is against the black man. Or if it's just a black woman against the black man. I think once black men start holding each other down, you know what I'm saying? Just showing each other that level of respect, we don't always have to agree because we can respectfully disagree.
[01:10:56] Speaker C: Right?
[01:10:57] Speaker A: See, people be thinking I'd be blocking people. The people be thinking I'm blocking people. I say only black people who disrespectful. Because you wouldn't stand before me and talk to me like that. Like you wouldn't raise your voice.
[01:11:08] Speaker B: We don't tolerate. Yeah, yeah.
[01:11:10] Speaker A: We don't tolerate no disrespect. And aggression get met with aggression all the time. Unless I see you too stupid to realize that you're about to get hurt real bad. So sometimes real talk, some just need love.
And they need love. Yeah. They need ass whoopings. But remember, we not gonna go into it. But it's times where dudes might have told called you talking strong or call me talking strong. And then when you let them know, hold up. They let it out like, yo, man, now I'm just going through it. Yeah, but don't make me a punching bag. Cause this got arms, you know what I'm saying?
[01:11:49] Speaker B: Like, because I swing back, right?
[01:11:51] Speaker A: But this is what I'm saying. Some people are wrestling with themselves.
[01:11:56] Speaker B: Yes.
[01:11:56] Speaker A: So much that they fight you. Listen, I'm not. Don't wrestle with me. You get what I'm saying?
[01:12:03] Speaker B: Don't wrestle with me because I'm on your Side.
[01:12:05] Speaker A: I'm on your side. I'm the person that's on your side. I got you, you know? So when we look at the hood, I remember walking around with Lou. I call him Little Buddy. I gave him that name. But he's really little Tad.
He was about 7 years old, and he was walking with me somewhere because, like I said, I always took him everywhere. And I. I probably had him more than his father growing up.
I took him everywhere with me, and I remember him saying, dag, you and my father know everybody. Because he didn't understand. We was walking on Fulton street, and, you know, sometimes we got to take gates or something, because we gonna have to say what's up to about a thousand people. No lie. Everybody's coming up to us. He was like, you and my father know dad. You and my father know everybody. And I said, we know everybody, so everybody gonna know you. But you ain't gonna have to be out here. You ain't gonna have to do nothing. And he wasn't. He wasn't. You know, he got his friends. They all from the hood. He. But he didn't have to be outside. He didn't have to hustle. He didn't have to do none of that. Because what I don't understand is how we not setting a precedent for those coming behind us. How you giving your son a package? How you telling your son how to cook? How you telling your son how to gang bang? You know he's gonna follow in your footsteps. So I commend Big U for his son making it to the NFL. But what about everybody else? Sons.
[01:13:26] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:13:26] Speaker A: Because the whole hood is your sons. Remember when, yo, we used to. Everybody get ice cream out here. What block you from? You from Clinton? Come get ice cream, too. Ice cream truck come. Everybody get ice cream. Everybody get chips. All the kids go on the trip. No child left behind. And that's really community work. It's not saying, yo, I want to put you on to the set, yo, you ready now? And all that. I've never encouraged nobody to do no stupid, because I know the consequence of it. And everybody's not ready, ready, or mentally prepared for that consequence. They say you are. Listen, I'mma pass it to Tad. But I want to say this to y'all.
When you dealing with these folks, they are professional manipulators.
They do this every day of their life. They more manipulators, and they're more professional at it than you are criminal. Remember, they do this to sun up. The sun up. You might take a nap you might be playing a game. When you playing a game, they plot and planning, strategizing and executing on how to get your ass. They don't take breaks. They have intel. They have information. They have the technology.
And you so damn stupid that you don't even realize that. So when you go sit before these people, look how you conduct yourself in an interview.
Look how you conduct yourself on camera. Look how you conduct yourself in the community. You trying to tell me that these intelligent people is not going to trick you? You easy to be tricked. Most of y'all is too emotional anyway.
So old person got to tell you, this is how y'all look. Look how y'all listen to and run with lies. It don't even got to be the truth. You see more lies on the Internet. Oh, no, I thought you had said. Comprehension is lost with a lot of our black men. They can't even comprehend. And then we dealing with people who don't have a certain education.
So when they see something tight, they can't detect sarcasm. They can't detect somebody. Always somebody's being condescending. You get what I'm saying? So they automatically get mad. Oh, I thought you was trying to diss or you was throwing subs at me. So now what? They act crazy. So you mean to tell me when you go sit down with these trained professionals, they not gonna. With you. They not gonna tell you stuff. Yeah, but he told on you already.
He already told her. Remember? They got files this big on you already on you. Forget everybody else. They got it on you.
When they ask you, they already know the answer. But let's manipulate you to see if you could flip on everybody else. So they'd be like, yo, he told on you already. He already told us it was your gun. But, yo, that wasn't. No, that way, that was his.
You willing to go on record to say that if I bring the d. A. Down here where you say it's his, Were you willing to? Yeah, because I'm not doing time for his. You just told on him. They just lied to you and manipulated you.
[01:16:36] Speaker B: And.
[01:16:37] Speaker A: And they going. They had their fingers crossed when they said they, I'ma. I'ma see if I could get you something. They. This is what they do for a living. Y'all too emotional.
[01:16:48] Speaker B: They don't have the power.
[01:16:49] Speaker A: Listen, too emotional, you're gonna be suffering from withdrawal. You're gonna be shaking because you need to drink. You drink every day.
Most of the time, y'all, you need a cigarette. They gonna get you a sick. They gonna Give you a cigarette?
[01:17:02] Speaker B: Need a blunt?
[01:17:03] Speaker A: They gonna give you a cigarette. They're gonna give you some chicken. They're gonna give you everything. But this is what I'm gonna need from you. And don't worry, you're not in trouble, because one of y'all. One of the things that most of y'all dumb always say is, am I going home? Yeah, you could go home, but you got to do this, and you don't even know you ain't going home. Your ass gonna sit up for a couple of years. Now, you got tags on you that you didn't know you have on you. But you was dealing with professional manipulators. This is their job. Some of them went to school for it. They take classes for it. They give each other intel.
[01:17:39] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:17:40] Speaker A: This is what I'm saying. So you sitting there with your feeble ass. Mind your drunk mind. Your. Your. You know, you. You need a pill. And they sitting there talking to you using vocabulary that's higher than your comprehension.
So now they saying, yo, we know you really don't want to be a part of that. Did such and such make you. You get what I'm saying? You the good kid.
[01:18:06] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:18:06] Speaker A: You know, man, so. So tell me. Tell me what happened, and I'm going to work. I'm gonna work something out for you. Then you sitting there babbling because think it's not only the kids.
They flip the grown ass man, too.
[01:18:21] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:18:22] Speaker A: You understand what I'm saying? They flip the grown ass man, too. Because think about it. You in the crib, you think about your chick, you think about your kids. And then you. Now you in the pokey, and they don't know. They telling you, you looking at this time, and you say, damn.
Nah, I can't do that.
What happens? You giving up everybody and everything. It's not. It's. None of it is really worth it because the. The reward ain't even worth the risk no more.
[01:18:54] Speaker B: Nope.
[01:18:55] Speaker A: You think dudes is. Dudes is bonging each other over Internet shit.
[01:19:00] Speaker B: Word.
You know what's crazy, dog? That we really don't put in context. You think about us coming up and. And a lot of dudes got mental health issues. Facts like they bona fide, deserve an SSI check.
[01:19:13] Speaker C: Right?
[01:19:14] Speaker B: And a lot of times, what people think is dangerous and crazy, they dangerous because they're slow.
[01:19:18] Speaker C: Right?
[01:19:19] Speaker B: They didn't get diagnosed at an early age. See, you and I always been good because we were smart, right? But we ran around a lot of dumb dudes. Dudes. Because when we Was young. We had dudes that we could sit on crash out missions. Yeah, like your son. Come with me over here. Well, what's up? Nah, this dude acting up, man. Might have to split his wig.
[01:19:37] Speaker C: Yo.
[01:19:37] Speaker A: You said it on him.
[01:19:38] Speaker B: And just to prove that. Yeah, yeah. And just to prove they loyalty or whatever, just that that value system we got in the streets, just to prove that they that dude and they deserve to stand amongst the ranks of those of us who's recognized as the real ones. They'll do something stupid. And to your point, when they get with the master manipulators, they don't know how to articulate themselves. They don't know how. Some of them don't even know how to shut up.
[01:20:03] Speaker C: Right.
[01:20:03] Speaker B: You know what I mean? And that's why I said, amongst us as men, particularly black men, we have to learn how to communicate better. Because a lot of stuff, it's never what we say, it's always how we say it.
[01:20:14] Speaker C: Right?
[01:20:14] Speaker B: But then you got these dudes who raised by their mama too. So all they want to do is gossip like they see their mama do. And I ain't saying all women gossip. It's just a woman's trait, you know?
[01:20:23] Speaker C: Right, right, right.
[01:20:24] Speaker B: To have conversations. Women are communicators.
[01:20:27] Speaker C: Right?
[01:20:27] Speaker B: And dudes should learn how to read the room and know when to shut up.
[01:20:32] Speaker A: Yo, what I was gonna say though, think about it. That time in front of the stoop, Even on. On Fulton street, it's been times where me and you was together, we didn't say nothing to each other. We just looked. Because.
[01:20:46] Speaker B: Because two times.
[01:20:48] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, definitely.
[01:20:49] Speaker B: One time, dude got the feet and the hands.
[01:20:51] Speaker C: Right, right.
[01:20:52] Speaker A: But it's times where we didn't say nothing. It wasn't even. Yeah, it wasn't even loud. We didn't make a scene. We just knew what it was. Oh, he this, that, and the third. I'm glad you did that. You know what I'm saying? Because now you don't understand. It ain't no what, yo?
[01:21:09] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, that. That cry for help.
[01:21:13] Speaker A: Yeah, because you already said all you're gonna say. You crazy. Yeah, you might have. Frank stand somebody. Yeah, you. Frank stand somebody. You went too far. And now you're gonna get a swift kick in your ass. And that's. That's happened sometimes, but a lot of times I remember times we seen Dude. I think. I think it was me and you and. And I think. I think you said we flipped on them, but I don't remember. It was a dude that had his Baby and his girl, remember he was about to whoop her out, was on Fortnite street by.
[01:21:48] Speaker B: By.
[01:21:48] Speaker A: By Lorraine Spot. We like, yo, dude, don't go to jail, man. You know what I'm saying? Like, yo, don't go to jail. But the way we was able to articulate to him, he. He simmered down, you know what I'm saying? But if we was like, yo, word, the mother, yo, don't be hitting that aggression. Gonna get met with aggression. Some of y'all don't have the training to be street guys, because the object of the game is to go home. It's not to go out there and get into. Sometimes we have to intervene in certain, too, because if you really for your community, you about stopping that. You see, too, not on no police, but your fam. Come on, man, stop throwing them bottles.
Yo, why y'all throwing them rocks at them cars?
You understand what I'm saying? Yo, why y'all robbing the cabs? Why? Because you remember in the hood, dudes used to get out on the cab. Yo, good looking, open that door. I' out. Yo, you can't be doing that around here. Why? Because you're gonna make it hot.
[01:22:43] Speaker B: You making it hot. Yeah, making it hot for those of us who are doing something and we doing this smoothly.
[01:22:48] Speaker C: Right? Right.
[01:22:49] Speaker B: You know what I mean? I remember one time a kid got plucked out on the corner of the block, and they left. They left shorty bloody, you know what I mean? All for a phone for iPhone. And Jake came and knocked on my door, right? He came and knocked. They was like, yeah. I said, yo, I ain't got nothing to do. They was like, no, no, no. We know you ain't had nothing to do with it, but do you know who did it? I was like, nah. I said, come on, y'all know me. If. If I was outside, that wouldn't even happen, right? They said, well, that's why we came to talk to you. You know, because it was a young dude. It was a teenager, I think, a kid coming on his way home from school. And that's another thing. You know, as a parent, you send your child to school hoping that they get to and from school safely to find out you got to go to the hospital for your kid over a damn phone. Stuff that could be replaced. But again, this is the value system that we have, because we think material stuff really makes us the man. We really think it adds value to who we are as a person. And I tell people, I'd rather be a loser amongst a bunch of winners than be a winner amongst a bunch of losers. And that's what a lot of hood dudes want to do. You just want to be a winner amongst a bunch of losers. But me put I don't mind losing in the winner circle because that's where the lessons are. That's where you're going to learn. If you learn how to be around winners and not be intimidated, chances are you're going to learn how to be a winner. And not just a winner. You're going to learn how to be a champion. Because a champion is a winner who knows how to win graciously. You know what I mean? The ego doesn't kick in when they get the win. They know how to win. They look on to moving on to the next challenge and they don't mind bringing somebody up behind them. You know what I mean? That's what a champion.
[01:24:29] Speaker A: And think about this too.
[01:24:30] Speaker B: Just want to win or look like they were right. Think about this.
[01:24:33] Speaker A: If you a loser around a bunch of winners, the losing only because you took a loss. But if you took a. If the loss was a lesson, you're really not a loser. Now you got to sit back and absorb that information that they putting out. And a lot of times dudes just don't know when to shut the up. That's why everybody think I got my podcast and they go and talk and they got like three people watching them, you know what I'm saying? Every night of their life. Because they don't know how to sit there and sit at the feet of people who did it. It takes a lot to be able to speak. You did public speaking. You took public speaking classes and all that. It takes a lot. But think about it. If we entertained our evil, we'd be racking up on people because we will be lying like, like Umar and polite and all these other dudes. We'd be lying like yada and all these. We be lying and saying, yeah, I could do this and do that. But we don't entertain evil. We trying to tell people, you know, weight loss journeys.
Every time I hit you with you about to go hit this still. Yo, I just walked to the gym. We don't. We don't even work out together.
Never have done that in 20 since training academy. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? But we could.
[01:25:51] Speaker B: But we could talk.
[01:25:53] Speaker A: But we could hit each other. Yo, did you hit the gym today? Yeah, I'm going. What you did? I did legs when you was running the marathon. I said, I know you, man. He's like, nah, I'm gonna be good. Yeah. Next day I'm sitting in the tub soaking. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? But this is the, the, the. The. The conversations that you hold is going to shape and mo.
The conversations that you hold is going to shape and mold how you think. If you're around a Debbie Downer, if you're around somebody that don't see no good or nothing, if you're around a contrarian, you gonna be up because they're going to see the worst in everything.
Well, you don't. When people be like, well, you don't know. And when they say, I'm just playing devil's advocate. Always say, well, why you want to advocate for the devil?
[01:26:42] Speaker B: You don't need no advocate. Yeah.
[01:26:44] Speaker A: You get what I'm saying? Why you want to advocate for the devil? So.
[01:26:50] Speaker B: Now I wanted to add to it.
[01:26:52] Speaker A: Yeah. Because we gonna close us out.
[01:26:54] Speaker B: Yeah. Because one of the things, too, sure enough, as we talk about the street dudes and we. Not as harsh on the street dudes as we are the people who posture themselves to be leaders of the community because we see the character flaws. Not saying you got to be perfect, but when you got a. A dude like Umar Polite or yada, they're misguiding the people, misleading the people people. And they're using their powers for evil.
[01:27:16] Speaker C: Right?
[01:27:17] Speaker B: Nobody.
[01:27:17] Speaker A: That's why I said entertain our ego. Yep.
[01:27:19] Speaker B: That's why I said they trying to fleece your pockets. So, you know, you see us not cast judgment on the big you because we understand the psychology of where he's coming from. You know what I'm saying? And it's honest, you know what I mean? He's really from that life. But the rest of these dudes act like there's some type of prophet or leaders or. Or representatives of God or black people. But here they are deceiving our people, robbing them, making empty promises and not delivering them, Selling them a bill of goods that they can't deliver on.
[01:27:50] Speaker A: Selling them wooden nickels.
[01:27:51] Speaker B: Yeah. Selling wooden nickels. And see, that's when we have a problem. When somebody's. When somebody's honestly misguided and misinformed, you know, you give them a pass because they don't know no better. But when somebody know better, they intentionally scamming the people, stealing from the people, essaying the people, particularly the children. We have no space for you.
[01:28:14] Speaker C: Right.
[01:28:15] Speaker B: Because as you can see from this conversation, we all about moving our families and our community in the right direction. Black men Black men. Speaking of black men 40 and over, yo, we too old to be talking this, right? And I try not to curse, but we, we too old. We too old for this, man. Jump on the podcast and I'm, I'm happy for every dude doing A1 tools, please do your thing. But give our people an alternative. If you've been locked up, man, be honest about what it was. You know what I'm saying? Granted, you might have had some good times because you meet some good brothers when you locked up. It's a lot of geniuses locked up. But at the same token, talk about how it feel when you can't take your lady on a date. How many birthdays you missed, you can't go to your children's graduations. There's loved ones funerals that you can attend. Talk about the pain of it too, because too many people are glorifying it. Dudes be talking about they was the real G's in their hood, but then go to their block and get popped on by little dudes like, is you serious, right? And you want me to take you serious? Or then you get on the phone and talk about how, you know what I'm saying, You, you pretty much nut hugging dudes you've been talking strong about.
[01:29:27] Speaker C: Right?
[01:29:27] Speaker B: Then other community activists. Yeah, other dudes talking about the community activists, but quick to call the cops and, and, and making fun of tragedies that happen in our community. The contradictions. We got to really rid ourselves of the contradictions. But again, that comes with self awareness. When you really got to sit and have a by myself meeting and really analyze the. That you don't even want to think about. And that's the hard part.
[01:29:52] Speaker A: Yeah. Brandy Kane says something interesting and I would like to elaborate on that and get you to understand where Tad is coming from because I have the same mindset. So they said, I know both cats. I'll take Umar over you. I'm so. I'm from South Central live. Right. I live right here in the 60s. I understand your sentiment because you will have more of a bird's eye view of what's really going on. What we're saying is that Big U doesn't profess publicly or doesn't campaign that I'm doing this, I'm doing this. This is for black people. This is for black people. This black people. If you know, you know, you know. He got again, you can't serve two masters. That was the point of the show. Umar don't profess to have. Yeah. And we know. And he doesn't profess.
He profess. He doesn't profess to have no dark side. It's always good, right? And not even to single him out. So I get what you're saying because you able to see better than me. You would know better than us. I don't live in this. I'm not from South Six Zero. I don't know the 60s. But we know hood guys like Big U who are trying, but they got the angel on one shoulder and the devil on the other. That's why the name of the show was the biggest was mistake is trying to serve both of them. You entertaining your evil. You want to do good, but you entertain your evil. Now you have somebody that Umar who act like he's doing all good. He's doing all good. He's doing all good. But he's cashing judgment on people and have them same flaws which Tad talked about early in the show. And it's not about him. That's nationwide. That's hoodwide. That's different community wide. And what I like to tell y'all is when we say the community, the black community, we not a monolith. What's going on in six zero? I don't know. So when we say the community, I like how you can speak for your community and speak in the chat, because I can't. But we keep acting like the community. We just painted with a broad brush. We all from the same place. Now, how y'all do it in the 60s? I don't know. The way y'all walk, the way y'all talk, the way y'all dress, how y'all carry it, I don't know. I can only talk about bk. I cannot talk about Queen. I can't even talk about Queens. I can't even talk about certain parts of Brooklyn. So when we be like the community. The community, y'all need to cut that out. Because we do not have. We full of communities.
Dudes from the Bronx don't dress like Brooklyn dudes. Dudes from Harlem don't talk like us. You get what I'm saying? But we keep saying the community, the community. Even the chicks is different.
[01:32:27] Speaker B: And we're not a monolith.
[01:32:28] Speaker A: And we're not a monolith. You get what I'm saying?
[01:32:32] Speaker B: Into Brandy Kane Point. And we appreciate you for chiming in. I don't know if you caught it earlier when we were talking about Umar, because now I was in one of my organizations because I've raised tons of money for Dr. Umar School, one of our organizations. Alone, we raised $10,000. Not to mention giving him money on a monthly basis, believing in his vision, but seeing him not stick to anything. I wish I could pull up pictures right now. I could show you at him. At my son's graduation, he was the keynote speaker, and he didn't know anybody. He have said himself that our brother, me and doggy's brother, a. Rashid, put him on to the lecture show.
This is his claim. So he's from our era, our energy, our circle. When he was coming to New York, he was dealing with my peoples. And. And you got to ask yourself in a quote, because I'm from the quote unquote, African centered community, hence the name brother Tad.
[01:33:30] Speaker C: Right, right, right, right, right.
[01:33:32] Speaker B: Where are his notable elders?
See, he say he's the prince of Pan African, but he's the pimp of Pan African because in African philosophy and psychology, you cannot do it by yourself. So where's all his people? Where's his staff? Where's his school? He's been collecting money for at least 20 years, fleecing the community. And I said this years ago, right, Brandy, when he was collecting money from the African center community and didn't. Didn't deliver, I said, he's gonna go to the church people watch. And that's what he did. He went to the church people because again, this is a black community, but it's separate, separate from the African center community. He fleeced them for money. Then he went into the hip hop community, and then he started making his presence felt on the Internet. Remember the past couple of years, he became an Internet dude. Maybe last three years, I give him five the most. But really do the research on how long he's been collecting money. And I remember in one of my organizations, one of the brothers was in the UNIA with them from Philly, and he said, y'all gonna find out about him. Because I was in three organizations, and all three organizations, we supported him, but he took the money around. We still wait on the school. All of us who had children, our children are too old. They. They going to college now. Some of them graduated college as we donated, hoping he could build this school that we could send our children to. But again, there was no accountability, right?
[01:34:59] Speaker A: And he don't. And he won't answer to you. He'll block you. I want to address somebody in the chat real quick. Raheem Perez, you said we all serve two effing masters. F O, A H, H, H h. No one on earth is completely at one with the law of facts. Simple. Give thanks already. 1k piece. Let me say something to you real quick. You the people that we talking about, because you sat here, you. Yo, yo, what you writing is not even really legible. If I didn't know how to speak sometimes, I wouldn't even know what you're talking about. Right? So if my little nieces or my little God babies was watching this, I wouldn't even want them to read that. And then you cursing and then you saying Allah at the same time. So you're conflicted. You actually, the people that I'm talking about, you still, you're actually what I'm talking about. That's the problem. People like you, we don't all serve two masters. We don't all serve two masters. And if you had a been here or if you hear most of the time, you would see that some of us really are who we say we are when it comes to community, when it comes to family, and when it comes to ways, actions and deeds. But you are exactly what I'm talking about and sadly is more of you than it is of us. Tag, close us out.
[01:36:26] Speaker B: Yeah, I couldn't have said it no better. And, and hopefully, hopefully he can watch the playback because I realized some of the people might be jumping in, in the middle of the conversation and really not grasping in this totality in full context. And hopefully you can have me back in the future so we could talk some more of this talk.
[01:36:44] Speaker A: Hopefully.
[01:36:45] Speaker B: Because it has to be a paradigm.
[01:36:47] Speaker A: He said hopefully you can have, you know, back here.
[01:36:50] Speaker B: Yeah, I say that. Right. Because a lot of times dudes, dudes are the evidence.
[01:36:58] Speaker C: Right?
[01:36:58] Speaker B: And this is not to beat you up. This is, this is just the whole. The mirror. And like we said, we not exempt from it. Right? We're talking from a place of understanding. We understand the psychology. And what we're saying is it comes to a point where you have to grow up. You have to like everybody say they want a high value man, right? But what's a high value man? Six figures a year. That's nothing. Ten grand a month.
[01:37:18] Speaker C: We.
[01:37:18] Speaker B: We make that right. Right? That's nothing. That's not what makes you a high value man.
[01:37:23] Speaker C: Right.
[01:37:24] Speaker B: What makes you a high value man is your dependability, your integrity, your honesty, and the fact that you try to work on yourself to be a better man. Because you and your God knows when you walking straight and when you're not. And you could fool us, but you can't fool yourself and you can't fool your creator. So you really got to start getting honest with that. And that's all we want dudes to do. Because we see a lot of dudes talk this street stuff, they talk this tough stuff, and it only gets you locked up or in the grave. Let's take the 90s. Suge is locked up, right? Pac is dead, Puff is locked up, Big is dead. Started 2 coast beefing with each other when I know in New York, we been had love for Cali, right? We never even been to Cali. We didn't even know people in Cali. But we knew we loved the California energy. And somewhere along the line, somebody in the middle told us we got to hate each other, right? And that was over 30 years ago. And here we still falling for the tricks. Letting people come and pick our own enemies for us when no man walking this planet right now is my enemy.
[01:38:28] Speaker C: Right?
[01:38:29] Speaker B: You know what I mean, right? They may have devilish ways, doggy, but I really don't see too many people as my enemy. Yes, we have a enemy as a collective group of people, but I don't see. And I'm be honest with you, ain't nobody stopping me from accomplishing my goals. Yeah, there's challenges, yeah, there's obstacles. But I don't use that as an excuse not to invest my time, effort and energy into what it is I need my life to be while I'm walking on my purpose. Because when you in touch with Allah, your God, Jesus, whatever you call your supreme creator, when you're in touch with that highest source, you start walking in your purpose. And once you start walking in your purpose, you see challenges and obstacles as opportunities for growth.
[01:39:12] Speaker A: I wanna hold up. Bozo. Bozo, Bozo. Sean, we never had love for Cali. Stop the cat, bro. They up our hip hop this cap. See, again, it's people like you. You probably never been. No, but listen. But he probably never been nowhere, though. See, that's what I'm saying. We got passports, we got stamps.
[01:39:32] Speaker B: Hold up, we got flicks. Do you.
[01:39:34] Speaker A: Do you know.
[01:39:35] Speaker B: Made red and blue in Cali.
[01:39:37] Speaker A: Could I tell you something? Do you know.
[01:39:39] Speaker B: Shout out to you, Sean, do you.
[01:39:41] Speaker A: Know that this day, yesterday, is when we went to Cali? Did you know that? Yesterday?
[01:39:49] Speaker B: Yes.
[01:39:50] Speaker A: Yesterday was a memory. It came up in your memory, right? We was in Cali just yesterday, four years ago.
So, Sean, grow up.
[01:40:02] Speaker B: Like you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're a little dude to us now. He puts up, doggy, who is this?
[01:40:07] Speaker A: That's what he put up.
[01:40:08] Speaker B: That's funny. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I like that, though, because. Because Your conversation shows that you beneath me.
[01:40:15] Speaker C: Right.
[01:40:15] Speaker B: And all I'm trying to do is pick you up my little dude.
[01:40:17] Speaker C: Right, Right.
[01:40:18] Speaker B: But no OG wisdom.
[01:40:20] Speaker A: But I think.
But I think somebody bounced him off the wall and roofed him. So he's up out of here. Because he gotta go. He has to go where he needs to. Oh, yep. Brandy Kane. So I must know you, too. We did come to Leimert park. So. How you doing, Brandy? Brandy King. But we was in Leimert park, so.
[01:40:41] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:40:41] Speaker A: Again, Right.
[01:40:42] Speaker B: All right. Shout out to you, Brandy Kane. And you. All right. So, Brandy Kane. If you saw us out there, you saw we was comfortable.
[01:40:48] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah.
[01:40:48] Speaker B: Nobody was nervous, nobody was scared.
[01:40:51] Speaker A: We was Gucci, you know?
[01:40:52] Speaker B: Yo, I love Cali. I keep telling doggy, we gotta go back.
[01:40:55] Speaker A: Yeah, we gotta go back.
[01:40:56] Speaker B: I want to say this real quick, too, dog.
[01:40:58] Speaker C: Right?
[01:40:58] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because it's not no cap. Because what I keep telling you, yo, we gotta go back to Cali. Facts, what I said. Cali dudes show mad love. And of course, we ain't gonna be rocked to sleep. But I see how Cali move like real New York dudes move. If you come with respect, dudes gonna treat you with respect. You come humble dudes, dudes gonna respect that. You ain't gonna have no issues and no problems. That's how it is in the real hood. But when you got little dudes like Sean.
[01:41:24] Speaker C: Right, right.
[01:41:25] Speaker B: That. That, you know, want to have a pissing contest, when you just learn how to stand up.
[01:41:30] Speaker C: Right.
[01:41:30] Speaker B: It's kind of funny. And we don't feed into that.
[01:41:33] Speaker A: And. And there's people again, drive our point home. The comprehension. He gotta go with people on that. That his comprehension again. Sometimes when you speak a certain way, people think about this, right? People was trying to say that I'm really smart.
They was like, yo, he's smart. He's not a street guy. I'm like, thank you. Said that's a. That's not a. That's a compliment.
We don't shun from Intelligence. What. How could you clown a black man for being intelligent?
That's what they. So I wanna. I want you to look at me. I would love to get the reverence and love that our elders got. Malcolm. Dr. Clark, Dr. Ben. I would love for you to say I'm intelligent and I'm not an idiot in the knucklehead. But all I'ma say to anybody, I just hope you don't have to find out other. Because I'm not here for it, but I Ain't running from it neither, you know what I'm saying? So a lot of times they be like, yo, he's smart. He do. He ain't. This you right? I ain't that. I graduated from that. That's the point. That was the little vibration. That's what we're talking about. So the fact that I am a business, a flourishing business, who move in my pay, you see how I live, how I move in my page. I do what I want. You know what I'm saying? I do what I want. But not only do I live like that, also show you how you could live like that. Give me one person that sit in these seats that give out the information to make you a better you, that ain't getting paid thousands of dollars to make you a better you, you know what I'm saying? Because again, you know, the.
The. Well, you supposed to be dumb to be a street guy. This is what they. This is what they say. They say, yo, he's you. He's too intelligent to. To be a street guy. I'm like, why you think I'm still here?
[01:43:36] Speaker B: Like, yeah, And I think that's the goal, too. To be smart enough. Because look at me. I don't have no felonies, you know, bragging, you know, every. Every case, we fight it, we challenge it, right? And that's what I laugh at, dudes. Because when you go to jail, the smart ones are running things. Same thing in the street. I don't know no dummies that's running nothing nowhere. I don't know no dummies that's running nothing nowhere.
[01:43:59] Speaker A: The kitchen clothes podcast is in the building, Nichols. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, from.
[01:44:04] Speaker B: From.
[01:44:05] Speaker A: He. From nickel. He from around. He's from around the way we know him. I don't even know when I met him. That's how long I know.
[01:44:13] Speaker B: Like public school.
[01:44:14] Speaker A: Yeah, public school. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. His mother, his sister recipes. His mom. His sister.
Yeah. Was around, so it is what it is.
[01:44:25] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:44:25] Speaker A: And look. And I want to say this, but. But before we go, though, we have to put in for the people who just watching us for the first time.
We come from gangs, come from gang leadership, all of that. We come from that. And we made a choice that we raiders for life. We raiders for life. But what we'll never be is dumbass street dudes ever again. We never gonna be that. We love the colors. We love it because it was what it was. It shaped us to be the men that we are, because we was holding each other accountable back then. But the difference is we don't rep it as a flag of, yo, we gonna do this, we gonna do that. Nah, that is corny. That is corny. Tabby, he be buying cameras now and. And trying to get his. His, His, His. His electronic game. Yeah, get his electronic games. But this is what I'm saying.
We grew up sociopaths, right?
So we'll be talking about cologne. We be talking about cologne. Colognes. Yeah, cologne, workouts and shit like that. Or, yo, movies, business ideas, business structure. No listening. Let me tell you, it was deep. So I've been in the business longer than him, you know, but he's the other day telling me, yo, I just did my articles in corporation. I did stand the third. And. And, you know, I'm getting.
[01:45:55] Speaker B: I'm like, the update on my joint.
[01:45:57] Speaker A: And I'm like, yo, hold up.
Damn, am I taking care of my. The way I'm supposed to? And that's what's dope, because you know what you supposed to be doing. But when you hear it firsthand from somebody who's telling you what they doing, it inspires you. And that's the. You supposed to get inspired by your friends, your loved ones and your family. If your friends, your loved ones and your family, you want to avoid them, there's no inspiration there. So when he telling me all this that he's doing, like, it'll be things that he study that I don't know, and vice versa. And then when it comes to all this tech, you know, I'm the master at a lot of. So what I'll do, I'd be like, nah, you got to do this, SEO. Yo, use this. Use this prompt, you know?
[01:46:43] Speaker B: Yeah, that's where.
[01:46:44] Speaker A: Yeah, this is where. This is where community is. Because community don't always mean that we around each other. What happens is it's that phone call that check in, yo, what's going on? I ain't doing, I'm saying, chilling one of the mate. I'm about to bust down this fool. I'm hit you back. I me, I'm out walking, just doing stuff, just being active. We asked about the kids. We have other family members that we outreach into to say, yo, what's up with you? How could we help you? That's what family is about. You get what I'm saying? That's what family about, and that's your community. Charity start at home.
Yeah, charity started home, and home is where the heart is. Sometimes it ain't even Your, your family don't even live in the crib with you, but that's still your family, not your relative. So I want to thank y'all for joining us tonight. Please listen, please leave a comment. I know it's a little freezing early on, but we ended off strong. Please hit the like button because the like button is going to push us up in, in this thing so other people see this. And if you think people need to see this, show this to your little homies, show this to your little cousins, your nieces, whoever you think need to see what we're talking about, because you don't really get these type of. You don't get this dialogue too much, you know. And I got to get up at 10 in the morning to go to my niece book fair, you know what I'm saying? That's what I'm doing in the morning. I'm going to buy some books, you know what I'm saying? That's what I'm doing. I got to get up 10 in the morning so I'm going to sleep so I could get up and go to a book fair, you know what I'm saying? And that's that like, that is important. I'm not saying, yo, I'm about to get some box, yo, I'm about to roll up almost. No, I gotta go to bed because I gotta get up at 10 in the morning for a book fair. And that's really what it's all about. But again, if you enjoy this type of content, it's important that you share it because look at the negative content that gets shared, liked and put out there.
You get what I'm saying? So we in a great free in a fight against a lot of stuff. And some of that is a necessary evil because sometimes you got to see stupid people to know not to be stupid, you know what I'm saying? We're here, but we gotta learn from the big use. And one of the biggest things that we learn can't serve two masters. So he is Waverly Underscore Av Tad like how it's spelled on Instagram. Make sure you follow him. Every Sunday he does the OG Wisdom podcast with C. Gutter Me. Y'all know I'm on here all the time, but make sure y'all follow Thursday night too. Thursday night is thorough black talk. Yeah, thorough black talk. And I appreciate your earners and learners. That's a fly ass name too. I ain't even going to lie to you. Your name's. Y'all be bodying some of them names. I respect a lot of y'all names. And that's what it is, man. Until next time, we out. Peace.
